FÜGGELÉK V.

A God who knows the future is powerless to change it.


Nice words, but shouldn't a direct quote be accurate?
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 18:43 — justdrew

Jesus said, "Love one another"
- John 13:34

Jesus said, "Love your neighbor"
- Luke 10:25-37

Jesus said, "Love your enemies"
- Matthew 5:43-48





I thought they were one and the same...
Sun, 03/16/2008 - 20:55 — justdrew

Jesus is without sin
- Hebrews 4:15

Jesus says only his father is without sin
- Matt 19:17




Holy trinity, Batman!
Sun, 03/16/2008 - 20:53 — justdrew

Jesus and god are one
- John 10:30

Jesus and god are separate
- Matt 19:16,17, Luke 18:19, implied by hundreds of others.





Secret disciple?
Sun, 03/16/2008 - 20:51 — justdrew

Secret disciple 007...of Arimathea, JOSEPH of ArimatheaJoseph of Arimathea is a "secret disciple of jesus" who previously feared recriminations from the Jewish Priests.
- John 19:38

He was simply a previously unknown "follower of jesus"
- Matt 27:57

He was an honored member of the Jewish high court who was "eagerly expecting the arrival of god's kingdom"
- Mark 15:42,43, Luke 23:50

Now, if everybody who was "eagerly expecting the arrival of god's kingdom" was a disciple, then there must be have been hundreds of 'em running around the place...






Spirited discussion
Sun, 03/16/2008 - 20:44 — justdrew

No man can retain the spirit after death
- Eccles 8:8

bible zombies, this week- TabithaPeter restores spirit of tabitha after her death
- Acts 9:37, 40






He is VERY late
Sun, 03/16/2008 - 14:22 — justdrew

Jesus tells the high priest that he (the priest) would see his (jesus') return
- Mark 14:61-62

He told three disciples that they would (live to) see his return
- Matt 16;28

He told the disciples he would return before they had preached throughout Palestine
- Matt 10:23

The generation living at that time (circa 30 christian era) was to be still be alive when "all these things" took place
- Mark 13:3-30

Might be worth noting that current scientific opinion holds that the world has not yet ended.

However it has been shown that the generations of all the actors in the bible have long since passed. Hmmm.

Those who crucified him will see him return (2nd time) "with their own eyes"
- Revelation 1:7

Despite saying all these definite statements above, only seconds later he tells the disciples that no one - including himself (I thought he knew *everything*) - knew when the end would come
- Mark 13:32




Ressurection junction
Sun, 03/16/2008 - 14:15 — justdrew

Time from resurrection to ascension?

At least the time it took the eleven disciples to walk from Jerusalem to Galilee - some 60-70 miles north
- Matt 28:16-20

More than eight days (this does not include events described in the more recent addition of John's chapter 21)
- John 20:26

With the John 21 appendix, this means it was even longer as it also features a Galilean appearance. One must add to the tale at least the time it would have taken the disciples to walk there.

40 days
- Acts 1:3

However, it is made very clear that jesus rose, made all his appearances, and ascended into heaven - wait for it - all on the same day!
- Luke 24:13, 33, 36, 50

Because it says the post crucifixion events happen on the same day, Luke makes an appearance at, or journey to Galilee impossible because everything reportedly happens in the area of Jerusalem.

Remember, the disciples are told to stay there until Pentecost ( Luke 24:49 ) and at the conclusion, jesus ascends to heaven from Bethany -just outside Jerusalem- that day.



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